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CITY OF MUSKEGON HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES June 3, 2025 J. Huss called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. and roll was taken. MEMBERS PRESENT: S. Radtke (late), G. Borgman, J. Huss, D. Gregersen, K. Kochin MEMBERS ABSENT: C. Davis STAFF PRESENT: J. Pesch, W. Webster OTHERS PRESENT: R. Kraai (263 W. Muskegon), M. Kordecki (609 W. Western), J. Boone (1148 Terrace), Pastor J. Rogers and J. Cervantes (1194 Terrace), C. Jones (1533 Clinton) APPROVAL OF MINUTES A motion to table approval of the regular meeting minutes of May 6, 2025 was made by J. Huss supported by G. Borgman and unanimously approved with J. Huss, G. Borgman, D. Gregersen, and K. Kochin voting aye. OLD BUSINESS Case 2025-01 – 263 W. Muskegon Ave. – Siding Applicant: Ryan Kraai - District: Houston - Current Function: Residential This case was reviewed at the January 7, 2025 HDC meeting where, among other items, the HDC approved removal and replacement of the existing wood siding with new cement siding with a three- inch reveal. Since then, it was found that cement siding was only produced with a four-inch reveal and any alterations to accommodate a narrower reveal would void the product’s warranty. The applicant was seeking to have the previous approval revised to allow for either replacement cement siding with a four-inch reveal, engineered wood siding with a 4-7/8” reveal, or vinyl siding. R. Kraai stated that he was open to all siding options noted in the request, but preferred vinyl siding with a 3” reveal due to the potential cost savings. D. Gregersen stated that the HDC would prefer to see a product other than vinyl even if it meant there would be a change to the dimension of the reveal. J. Pesch reminded the HDC that at the January meeting it was determined that there had previously been an asbestos siding product installed on the house and that they had decided that the existing wood siding was likely not original as the reveal was wider than what would have been typical for a house of this style. The HDC reviewed the issues with switching to vinyl siding including the J-channel and trim packages that would not match the house’s existing trim. S. Radtke arrived at 4:10. 1 A motion that the HDC approve the request to remove and replace the existing wood siding with new engineered wood siding with a 4-7/8” reveal as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made by G. Borgman, supported by D. Gregersen with J. Huss, G. Borgman, D. Gregersen, and K. Kochin voting aye, and S. Radtke abstaining. NEW BUSINESS Case 2025-13 – 609 W. Western Ave. – Siding Applicant: Michael Kordecki - District: Clay-Western - Current Function: Commercial The applicant was seeking approval to replace the existing cement board siding on the second floor west-facing walls with vinyl siding. J. Pesch explained that this was on a part of the building that had been constructed in 2007 and was only visible from specific areas on Western Avenue or adjacent properties. M. Kordecki stated that the existing cement board siding was failing and causing leaking inside the building. He added that the proposed vinyl siding would be vertical to avoid wind damage. S. Radtke noted that the material being replaced was not historic, having been newly constructed about 15 years prior, and was located in an area minimally-visible from the street. He added that vinyl was not a preferred siding material in the historic districts and that aluminum siding could be an option. D. Gregersen said that he would be supportive of both aluminum or vinyl siding. A motion that the HDC approve the request to replace the existing cement board siding on the second floor west-facing walls with vinyl or aluminum siding as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made by D. Gregersen, supported by K. Kochin. J. Huss suggested an amendment to the motion to specify that the siding should be vertical rather than horizontal. D. Gregersen accepted the amendment. An amended motion that the HDC approve the request to replace the existing cement board siding on the second floor west-facing walls with vinyl or aluminum siding installed in a vertical orientation as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made by D. Gregersen, supported by J. Huss with S. Radtke, J. Huss, G. Borgman, D. Gregersen, and K. Kochin voting aye. Case 2025-14 – 1725 Peck St. – Siding Applicant: Anita Morales and Ana Zuniga - District: Clinton-Peck - Current Function: Residential The applicant was seeking approval to replace the existing wood siding with vinyl siding. As no applicant was present, the HDC chose to return to the case later in the meeting (for the purposes of these minutes, all subsequent discussion from later in the meeting is summarized in this case). J. Pesch shared that the building was built in the early 1940s as a dentist/doctor office and its exterior could very likely be completely original unless it was significantly remodeled at some point. He noted that it was an interesting house in that it was built later than many of the other buildings in the Clinton- Peck Historic District, but was still considered historic. S. Radtke stated that he suspected the exterior of the house was almost entirely original. J. Pesch explained that he had received minimal detail from the property owner about what type of vinyl siding they were proposing, but noted that they were looking to address the worsening condition of the wood siding. The HDC discussed the appropriate methods of painting wood siding and the various issues that property owners face in maintaining it. S. Radtke noted that the way the corners were treated at this house was unique; he also pointed out the areas of the house with vertical siding 2 and the belt course just below the sills that separated the siding from the lower portion of the house. D. Gregersen asked if it would be possible to approve replacement wood siding that matched the existing siding, and J. Pesch replied that such an approval would be far from what was requested and unlikely to be helpful for the applicant. A motion that the HDC table the request to replace the existing wood siding with vinyl siding to the July regular meeting was made by J. Huss, supported by K. Kochin and unanimously approved. Case 2025-15 – 1148 Terrace St. – Windows Applicant: Jason Boone - District: McLaughlin - Current Function: Residential The applicant was seeking approval to replace the existing wood windows with white vinyl windows with a three-inch flat vinyl casing around each window including windows on the front porch along with the basement windows. J. Boone explained that the house contained a variety of different window types and window materials and that none of them had been maintained well through the years. J. Huss asked if the leaded glass windows on either side of the chimney/fireplace would be retained and J. Boone stated that they would. J. Huss asked whether the four windows with divided lights in the upper sash on the front elevation could be replicated in vinyl, and S. Radtke noted that the local standards called for replacement windows of the same size, design, proportions, and profile. J. Boone responded that the replacement windows would be the same size as the existing windows, but he was not sure if his window contractor had determined if the grill patterns could be replicated in vinyl. The HDC stated that it was likely this would be possible. S. Radtke asked if the windows enclosing the front porch and the basement windows were proposed to be replaced and J. Boone confirmed that they were. S. Radtke asked if the trim around every window on the house was proposed to be replaced and D. Gregersen asked if the trim would be different in size than the existing trim. J. Boone explained that three-inch vinyl trim was proposed. S. Radtke was concerned with a uniform trim width because there were a variety of widths used on different areas of the house and some windows had no trim. D. Gregersen asked how the existing siding would be patched to fill any gaps where the trim would be narrowed and J. Boone stated that he would need to check with his contractor. The HDC noted that the existing wood trim appeared to be in decent condition and could be repaired and stated that they were concerned with the quality of potential replacement products. J. Boone noted that the trim was in worse condition than was visible in the photos, citing layers of peeling paint on some windows. D. Gregersen stated that in cases where the wood trim was beyond repair, it could be replaced with a new wood member to match what was there. S. Radtke noted that if a future owner were to remove the aluminum siding to restore the original wood siding, keeping the existing trim would make that an easier process. A motion that the HDC approve the request to replace the existing wood windows with white vinyl windows retaining the original wood trim around each window as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made by K. Kochin, supported by G. Borgman. S. Radtke suggested an amendment to the motion to specify that the size of the glass lights and muntin arrangements in the replacement windows shall match those of the existing windows and that the decorative leaded glass windows on either side of the chimney/fireplace be retained. J. Huss suggested an amendment to the motion to require that the muntins must be permanently affixed to both the interior and the exterior of the replacement windows. K. Kochin accepted the amendments. An amended motion that the HDC approve the request to replace the existing wood windows with white vinyl windows of the same size, design, proportions, and profile including muntin patterns that 3 match the existing windows’ muntin patterns with the condition that the muntins must be permanently affixed to both the interior and the exterior of the windows and that the decorative leaded glass windows on either side of the chimney be retained as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made by K. Kochin, supported by G. Borgman with J. Huss, G. Borgman, D. Gregersen, and K. Kochin voting aye, and S. Radtke voting no. A motion that the HDC deny the request to replace the current wood trim with three-inch flat vinyl casing around each window was made by J. Huss, supported by K. Kochin with G. Borgman, D. Gregersen, K. Kochin, S. Radtke, and J. Huss voting aye. Case 2025-16 – 1194 Terrace St. – Mini-Split HVAC Units Applicant: Jackson Cervantes - District: McLaughlin - Current Function: Institutional The applicant was seeking approval to install two wall-mounted mini-split HVAC units and accompanying conduit on the north (side) elevation and two wall-mounted mini-split HVAC units and accompanying conduit on the south (side) elevation of the building about four-feet above grade, remove the existing, in-wall air conditioning units, and fill in the former openings to match the existing building material. J. Rogers amended the request to only include one wall-mounted mini-split HVAC unit on each side of the building, noting that one had already been installed. He explained that the change was a result of their taking a different approach to the project that was yet to be fully designed, but that the mini-split units were a definite need. S. Radtke asked if the mini-split units would be connected to the building and whether the connection points would require a hole through the wall of the building like the existing air conditioning units. J. Cervantes explained that the only hole that would be created would be about 2 ½”-2 ¾” in diameter. The HDC noted that the existing air conditioning units caused more of a disruption to the fabric of the building than the product being proposed. S. Radtke stated that the HDC tended to be flexible when it came to mechanical systems, but preferred that, if possible, something be done to ensure that the exterior of the unit is made to look similar to the base color of the brick to prevent the new units from standing out. J. Cervantes explained that there were covers for the units that could be painted more easily than the units themselves, and that there was an option to vinyl-wrap the units with an image that matched the material of the building. J. Rodgers asked the HDC if it would be possible to install three light fixtures on the exterior of the building to light the parking lot. S. Radtke stated that the appearance of the conduit would likely be more of a concern than the fixtures themselves. The HDC requested a drawing of where the conduit would run, suggesting that it be run directly below the top edge of the soffit to feed down directly to the lights, and that conduit be painted to match the color of the brick. The HDC explained that this work would need to be reviewed at a future meeting. There was a brief discussion about a potential future project to replace or repair windows that needed attention, and the HDC provided some suggestions to consider before returning with a more specific request at a future meeting, if necessary. A motion that the HDC approve the request to install one wall-mounted mini-split HVAC unit and accompanying conduit on both the south and north elevations of the building about four-feet above grade, with a vinyl or painted application to camouflage the units as well as to remove the existing, in-wall air conditioning units, and fill in the former openings to match the existing building material as long as the work meets all zoning requirements and the necessary permits are obtained was made 4 by J. Huss, supported by K. Kochin with K. Kochin, D. Gregersen, G. Borgman, J. Huss, and S. Radtke voting aye. OTHER BUSINESS Local Standards Update – Shutters – In previous meetings, the HDC had discussed updating the local standards to include a section on appropriate shutter styles and considered incorporating such a guide into their local standards. J. Pesch shared drawings provided by D. Gregersen and the HDC discussed any other content to be included in the local standards. S. Radtke volunteered to assist in writing a section on shutters for the local standards. Roof Coping Staff Approval – The HDC discussed the possibility of allowing staff to approve replacement of clay roof coping with a modern material that served the same function. Also considered were potential additional items that were not architecturally-defining features; the HDC determined that they would start with clay coping and evaluate future applications to determine whether or not to expand this to include replacement of other strictly utilitarian features. J. Pesch agreed to add a few sentences to the draft to more clearly define the work that could be staff approved and the types of replacement materials that would be appropriate. 2025 Staff Approval Update #2 – Since the last update in March 2025, staff had approved 12 projects. Those in bold were discussed with the HDC chairperson prior to approval: - 484 W. Webster – Reroof barn with like material - 154 Washington – Reroof house - 621 W. Western – Replace clay coping with aluminum - 1184 7th – Reroof flat roof - 1141 5th – Reroof front porch - 1182 Terrace – Reroof house - 1167 Peck – Reroof house - 586 W. Western – Replace ground-mounted air handling unit in same location - 1133 6th – Reroof house - 1133 6th – Rebuilt section of brick foundation wall with concrete block - 1450 Clinton – Reroof house - 1314 Peck – Wood privacy fence HDC Letters – C. Jones, a resident of the Clinton-Peck Historic District attended to ask about the historic districts and a neighboring property in poor repair. She received a letter from the HDC and asked questions about the information it contained. She explained the recent history of a few houses in the district and some concerns she had. Board members expressed their appreciation to C. Jones for her commitment to preserving her house and continued attention to the work of the HDC and the condition of houses in the historic districts. ADJOURN There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 6:11 p.m. 5
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